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First off, there's more to an artstyle than just eyes. Secondly, yes, Mappa does have their own distinct art style, but Attack on Titan is not a good example, because the artstyle for Attack on Titan season 4 is pretty similar to the artstyle of the later arcs of the manga. Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man are good examples, but they only use the "generic" Mappa art style because the original manga styles for these series are pretty rough and sketchy (that may not be the best way to describe them, but I'm not good at describing things, and that's the best description I can come up with), and while that adds to the charm for some people, and it makes the really good panels stand out, it also makes the styles hard to replicate in an anime, and hard to properly animate.

Dec 3, 2022 5:34 PM

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humantwig said:

onionboys said:
When you do a simple eye test on AOT, JJK, and CSM you realize one thing

MAPPA is not very creative. All three major shows MAPPA has worked on all look the same way, all animated the same way, and all have the same flaws. So many of the revolutionary Studios like Bones and Madhouse are able to work on a variety of different genres, styles, and themes.

Imagine how generic Demon Slayer would have looked if MAPPA animated it. Same dull color pallet, clunky CGI, and overworked staff

Or you could just say they're catering to a specific style really well at the moment.
Also, take a look at other shows Mappa has worked on rather than just the current big ones like;
Dororo, Terror in Resonance, Dorohedoro and Zombieland Saga, Yuri on Ice, Kids on the Slope, and Kagegurui... They're different and have variety.

The colour pallet is probably that way to set the mood of the show, so it's not really a Mappa thing. The CGI isn't clunky, go look at Ex-arm if you want clunky CGI, and I doubt Mappa is the only studio with overworked staff.

ah yes, lets defend MAPPAs CGI by bringing up the biggest CGI butcher in history. Thats definetely how you create an argument and not just completely dismiss yourself by bringing extremes into the conversation

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Dec 3, 2022 5:34 PM

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what kind of color palette should they use when making gritty, dark and violent anime? It's like people complaining about how the Fallout series is all grey and brown. Of course it is.

For some reason some people wanted the Chainsaw Man anime to be as colorful as JoJo's. I guess it's because that's how the colored manga and the manga covers made it look, but it doesn't really fit the dark and gritty world of Chainsaw Man.

Dec 3, 2022 5:36 PM

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First off, there's more to an artstyle than just eyes. Secondly, yes, Mappa does have their own distinct art style, but Attack on Titan is not a good example, because the artstyle for Attack on Titan season 4 is pretty similar to the artstyle of the later arcs of the manga. Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man are good examples, but they only use the "generic" Mappa art style because the original manga styles for these series are pretty rough and sketchy (that may not be the best way to describe them, but I'm not good at describing things, and that's the best description I can come up with), and while that adds to the charm for some people, and it makes the really good panels stand out, it also makes the styles hard to replicate in an anime, and hard to properly animate.

to a lesser extent, terror in resonance and dororo also follow the same exact pattern.

maybe the real problem is that MAPPA is only really able to adapt dark gorey shows. in a way some people mislabel kyoto animation as only being able to do CGDCT shows

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Dec 3, 2022 5:43 PM

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Imagine how generic Demon Slayer would have looked if MAPPA animated it. Same dull color pallet, clunky CGI, and overworked staff

But Demon slayer is generic, it’s the very definition of generic.
It’s also hilarious how you think that AOT, JJK and CSM are the only anime MAPPA made in recent times… we just gonna pretend GOH, Takt, ZombieLand Saga Revenge, Idaten, Re-main, Yasuke, Dance Dance Danseur, Taisou Zamurai don’t exist?

Dec 3, 2022 5:44 PM

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onionboys said:

humantwig said:

Or you could just say they're catering to a specific style really well at the moment.
Also, take a look at other shows Mappa has worked on rather than just the current big ones like;
Dororo, Terror in Resonance, Dorohedoro and Zombieland Saga, Yuri on Ice, Kids on the Slope, and Kagegurui... They're different and have variety.

The colour pallet is probably that way to set the mood of the show, so it's not really a Mappa thing. The CGI isn't clunky, go look at Ex-arm if you want clunky CGI, and I doubt Mappa is the only studio with overworked staff.

ah yes, lets defend MAPPAs CGI by bringing up the biggest CGI butcher in history. Thats definetely how you create an argument and not just completely dismiss yourself by bringing extremes into the conversation

Ok fine, I'll take a different approach.
The clunky CGI you're probably referring to is character model CGI such as CGI titans and the CGI chainsaw man, infact these are some of the best CGI modeled characters we've seen. They may not be 100% perfect because this is the best (IMO) CGI characters we've got so far, over time CGI will get better that's a given but what we've got currently and is the best it's been. If you can find any better done CGI characters I'll be happy to hear.

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humantwig said:

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ah yes, lets defend MAPPAs CGI by bringing up the biggest CGI butcher in history. Thats definetely how you create an argument and not just completely dismiss yourself by bringing extremes into the conversation

Ok fine, I'll take a different approach.
The clunky CGI you're probably referring to is character model CGI such as CGI titans and the CGI chainsaw man, infact these are some of the best CGI modeled characters we've seen. They may not be 100% perfect because this is the best (IMO) CGI characters we've got so far, over time CGI will get better that's a given but what we've got currently and is the best it's been. If you can find any better done CGI characters I'll be happy to hear.

Houseki no Kuni says hi. But yeah, HNK was fully CGi so they stand out less than in AOT. Anyway, there's scenes in the 3rd and final season where the CGI creature barely moves at all which makes me wonder why they decided to use it there and not draw it the traditional way?

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onionboys said:

ShatteredSans said:
First off, there's more to an artstyle than just eyes. Secondly, yes, Mappa does have their own distinct art style, but Attack on Titan is not a good example, because the artstyle for Attack on Titan season 4 is pretty similar to the artstyle of the later arcs of the manga. Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man are good examples, but they only use the "generic" Mappa art style because the original manga styles for these series are pretty rough and sketchy (that may not be the best way to describe them, but I'm not good at describing things, and that's the best description I can come up with), and while that adds to the charm for some people, and it makes the really good panels stand out, it also makes the styles hard to replicate in an anime, and hard to properly animate.

to a lesser extent, terror in resonance and dororo also follow the same exact pattern.

maybe the real problem is that MAPPA is only really able to adapt dark gorey shows. in a way some people mislabel kyoto animation as only being able to do CGDCT shows

Nah. While Mappa may be best at adapting dark gorey shows, it's not all they can do. They've been doing Zombieland Saga for a while, and as far as I'm aware, that's a pretty upbeat and colorful idol anime, despite being about zombies.

Dec 3, 2022 5:55 PM

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epidemia78 said:

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Ok fine, I'll take a different approach.
The clunky CGI you're probably referring to is character model CGI such as CGI titans and the CGI chainsaw man, infact these are some of the best CGI modeled characters we've seen. They may not be 100% perfect because this is the best (IMO) CGI characters we've got so far, over time CGI will get better that's a given but what we've got currently and is the best it's been. If you can find any better done CGI characters I'll be happy to hear.

Houseki no Kuni says hi. But yeah, HNK was fully CGi so they stand out less than in AOT. Anyway, there's scenes in the 3rd and final season where the CGI creature barely moves at all which makes me wonder why they decided to use it there and not draw it the traditional way?

I assume it's because of the tight schedule they were given. I don't know the specific details, but I've heard that the production committee wanted The Final Season part 1 done on such a tight schedule that Witt literally refused to do it, which is why Mappa picked it up in the first place. If this is the case, it's entirely possible that they had to rely on the CGI titan models instead of animating them traditionally because they didn't have enough time to animate them traditionally. Though, that's nothing more than speculation.

Dec 3, 2022 5:57 PM

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Imagine how generic Demon Slayer would have looked if MAPPA animated it. Same dull color pallet, clunky CGI, and overworked staff

But Demon slayer is generic, it’s the very definition of generic.
It’s also hilarious how you think that AOT, JJK and CSM are the only anime MAPPA made in recent times… we just gonna pretend GOH, Takt, ZombieLand Saga Revenge, Idaten, Re-main, Yasuke, Dance Dance Danseur, Taisou Zamurai don’t exist?

most shonen is generic, thats the point.

csm is generic, jjk is generic. mha is generic

aot is the only real exception because it breaks the boundaries

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Dec 3, 2022 6:01 PM

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Houseki no Kuni says hi. But yeah, HNK was fully CGi so they stand out less than in AOT. Anyway, there's scenes in the 3rd and final season where the CGI creature barely moves at all which makes me wonder why they decided to use it there and not draw it the traditional way?

I assume it's because of the tight schedule they were given. I don't know the specific details, but I've heard that the production committee wanted The Final Season part 1 done on such a tight schedule that Witt literally refused to do it, which is why Mappa picked it up in the first place. If this is the case, it's entirely possible that they had to rely on the CGI titan models instead of animating them traditionally because they didn't have enough time to animate them traditionally. Though, that's nothing more than speculation.

Well yeah, I understand that much. But like I said, when the thing is barely moving at all is when most shows with CGI switch to traditional animation. I don't really have too much of a problem with the CGI in AOT But I couldn't help but notice in the Final season, there were many close ups of Eren's titan's face and that's when it really started looking especially bad.

Dec 3, 2022 6:37 PM

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But Demon slayer is generic, it’s the very definition of generic.
It’s also hilarious how you think that AOT, JJK and CSM are the only anime MAPPA made in recent times… we just gonna pretend GOH, Takt, ZombieLand Saga Revenge, Idaten, Re-main, Yasuke, Dance Dance Danseur, Taisou Zamurai don’t exist?

most shonen is generic, thats the point.

csm is generic, jjk is generic. mha is generic

aot is the only real exception because it breaks the boundaries

First you said that CSM and JJK look generic because of MAPPA's dull approach to visual direction. Then you go and say that most shounen are generic (which basically implies that it doesn't really matter the studio that animates it, it's going to "look" generic). What is exactly your point?? It seems like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

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Dec 3, 2022 6:52 PM

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You have mastered the art of retardedness! Congratulations, now take this pair of running shoes. You'll need them to get past the Rock, I refuse to explain.

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most shonen is generic, thats the point.

csm is generic, jjk is generic. mha is generic

aot is the only real exception because it breaks the boundaries

First you said that CSM and JJK look generic because of MAPPA's dull approach to visual direction. Then you go and say that most shounen are generic (which basically implies that it doesn't really matter the studio that animates it, it's going to "look" generic). What is exactly your point?? It seems like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

They're definitely doing just that. Complaining for the sake of complaining. It's ironic, cause they made another post talking about how it's dumb to expect an anime to faithfully adapt its source material, but then complain that Mappa anime looks too generic and not enough like the manga that they're based on, lol. (Or maybe they're just complaining because they've given up hope of Attack on Titan getting an anime original ending due to Mappa adapting the manga faithfully so far, so now they just hate everything that Mappa does)

Dec 3, 2022 7:06 PM

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Zanfroni said:

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most shonen is generic, thats the point.

csm is generic, jjk is generic. mha is generic

aot is the only real exception because it breaks the boundaries

First you said that CSM and JJK look generic because of MAPPA's dull approach to visual direction. Then you go and say that most shounen are generic (which basically implies that it doesn't really matter the studio that animates it, it's going to "look" generic). What is exactly your point?? It seems like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

i cant imagine something this simple needs to be explained but i have forgotten how young you people who use MAL actually are

the original thread is talking about animation and how a studio directs an anime

that person clearly was taking the opportunity to jab at demon slayer for being a generic anime. which in that case, yes shonen are the more generic of the anime genres

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Dec 3, 2022 7:17 PM

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onionboys said:

Zanfroni said:

First you said that CSM and JJK look generic because of MAPPA's dull approach to visual direction. Then you go and say that most shounen are generic (which basically implies that it doesn't really matter the studio that animates it, it's going to "look" generic). What is exactly your point?? It seems like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

i cant imagine something this simple needs to be explained but i have forgotten how young you people who use MAL actually are

the original thread is talking about animation and how a studio directs an anime

that person clearly was taking the opportunity to jab at demon slayer for being a generic anime. which in that case, yes shonen are the more generic of the anime genres

Shounen isn't even a genre though, it's a demographic. I know you're referring to the action genre, which most people have dubbed "battle shounen", but it's worth pointing out that not all shounen manga fit into that genre.

But, that aside, animation and how a studio directs an anime isn't related to the anime's art style. The art style is defined moreso by the character designer as far as I know, as their designs are used as the baseline for the anime's version of the characters, though I could be wrong about that. Either way though, the animation still works off of a predetermined art style

Dec 3, 2022 7:40 PM

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Talking about copy pasta style while citing Ufotable show who really have the same style for most of their show...
Then I don't see how the style of CSM and the way it's animated is similar to the other anime of MAPPA, since just in the same episode CSM has different animation style from one scene to another scene of CSM lol.

Oh yeah and about creativity, I think original scenes and storyboard of CSM are one of the most ambitious, certainly more creative than a Demon Slayer.

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ShatteredSans said:

Zanfroni said:

First you said that CSM and JJK look generic because of MAPPA's dull approach to visual direction. Then you go and say that most shounen are generic (which basically implies that it doesn't really matter the studio that animates it, it's going to "look" generic). What is exactly your point?? It seems like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

They're definitely doing just that. Complaining for the sake of complaining. It's ironic, cause they made another post talking about how it's dumb to expect an anime to faithfully adapt its source material, but then complain that Mappa anime looks too generic and not enough like the manga that they're based on, lol. (Or maybe they're just complaining because they've given up hope of Attack on Titan getting an anime original ending due to Mappa adapting the manga faithfully so far, so now they just hate everything that Mappa does)

Pretty much this. Now that MAPPA became an anime behemoth thanks to JJK and AOT, people like to shit on everything they do (just like ufotable with Demon Slayer). I guess because being "different" and hating everything that's popular somehow makes them above others (in their twisted minds of course). We're in the age of complaining. Everyone complains about everything and if you call them on their bullshit, they go the easy way out saying: "You can't take criticism" yet they fail to provide a single solution to their complaints.

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onionboys said:

Zanfroni said:

First you said that CSM and JJK look generic because of MAPPA's dull approach to visual direction. Then you go and say that most shounen are generic (which basically implies that it doesn't really matter the studio that animates it, it's going to "look" generic). What is exactly your point?? It seems like you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

i cant imagine something this simple needs to be explained but i have forgotten how young you people who use MAL actually are

the original thread is talking about animation and how a studio directs an anime

that person clearly was taking the opportunity to jab at demon slayer for being a generic anime. which in that case, yes shonen are the more generic of the anime genres

No, stop twisting your own words. You started the thread talking about how MAPPA uses the same style for their shows. People debunked your claims about MAPPA's animation and color palette usage and how they "only really able to adapt dark gorey shows." (which is really easy to debunk to be honest, since you clearly haven't bothered to look at MAPPA's huge anime catalog). And don't get me started on the Demon Slayer/shounen argument.

Also, what was the necessity of this:

onionboys said:
i cant imagine something this simple needs to be explained but i have forgotten how young you people who use MAL actually are

This is hilarious. You don't even know how old I am, my account is older than yours and the only purpose of saying something as stupid as this is to fuel your own ego, except you can't even structure a coherent and consistent argument.

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Dec 3, 2022 8:44 PM

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Zanfroni said:

onionboys said:

i cant imagine something this simple needs to be explained but i have forgotten how young you people who use MAL actually are

the original thread is talking about animation and how a studio directs an anime

that person clearly was taking the opportunity to jab at demon slayer for being a generic anime. which in that case, yes shonen are the more generic of the anime genres

No, stop twisting your own words. You started the thread talking about how MAPPA uses the same style for their shows. People debunked your claims about MAPPA's animation and color palette usage and how they "only really able to adapt dark gorey shows." (which is really easy to debunk to be honest, since you clearly haven't bothered to look at MAPPA's huge anime catalog). And don't get me started on the Demon Slayer/shounen argument.

Also, what was the necessity of this:

onionboys said:
i cant imagine something this simple needs to be explained but i have forgotten how young you people who use MAL actually are

This is hilarious. You don't even know how old I am, my account is older than yours and the only purpose of saying something as stupid as this is to fuel your own ego, except you can't even structure a coherent and consistent argument.

sheesh look at that huge mappa catalog! they got shonen, shonen, shonen, shonen and a lil ecchi!

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Dec 3, 2022 8:54 PM

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